Dr. Andrew (Andy) Jacks—Celebrating and Supporting Principals at the National School Leaders Conference powered by NAESP

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School leaders conferences like
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to get sucked in somewhere.
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that you can go to it without
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going to get, you're going to
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locally, but it's sort of
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And, and I am your host, Jacob

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And today's guest is Andrew

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Jackson, known by his friends as
Andy and he is a principal of

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Ellis Elementary School in
Manassas, VA.

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July 13th through 15th.

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So Andy, welcome to the show and
will you introduce yourself by

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giving what's your name is only
you can?

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Yeah, thanks for having me.
I appreciate being here anytime

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I get a chance to talk about our
work and connecting principles.

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And it's definitely my school at
Ellis.

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It's it's a blessing.
So I'm Andy Jacks.

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I'm the proud principal, Ellis
Elementary School.

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This is my third school's
principal and each one has its

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own journey and proud to be on
this one and seeing the great

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work we're doing.
We're a small title one school

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in Northern Virginia about 30
miles West of DCA, part of

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Prince William County Schools,
which is one of the best school

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divisions on the planet.
I'm so very proud to be

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associated with them.
And we're all about making sure

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that our kids get what they need
and that we're being innovative

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along the way.
And good segue to the principals

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conference.
Because part of our job as

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leaders is to constantly be
growing and learning and

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ensuring that we can provide
those best practices.

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And those best practices change
over time.

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And we need to make sure that
we're current and relevant and

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provide meaningful experiences
for our students, but ultimately

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for our school communities.
Because our job is more than

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just, you know, the classroom.
There's so much that goes into

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our our work and it's really
important to stay current with

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that.
Andy, you're absolutely right.

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Really the principal, you said
at this this hub of an ecosystem

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which provides support not only
to your teachers and to to

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learners, but also to the family
and the communities and working

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alongside other principles
within district or network of

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schools themselves.
So it is a complex work.

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So Speaking of complex work, we
were scheduled to start our

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conversation a bit earlier, but
I got an e-mail from you about a

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fire drill.
So we know that the work is

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complex.
So tell me though, what drew you

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to Ellis Elementary and can you
give an example of why it is a

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standout?
You talked about this journey

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from your principalship, So what
makes Ellis Elementary stand out

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and what drew you to the
organization?

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So to answer that question, let
me first back up a little bit.

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I've been in the field for about
25 years and I started as a

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teacher at a title, one small
title, one school similar to

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this when I came down to N
Virginia originally grew up in

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Pittsburgh.
And the cool thing about

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Pittsburgh, there's a lot of
good schools.

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The bad news is not there's not
a lot of jobs.

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I came down to N Virginia where
we're hiring and hey, if

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anyone's listening, we're still
hiring.

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And so make sure it hit us up in
Princeton County schools.

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But we ultimately started this
journey in Title 1.

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I really do believe that that
had created a foundation of

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equity, of expectation of the
hard work that schools do to

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make sure that students not only
receive the education they need,

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but the role we play as a leader
in the school community, the

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whole entire neighborhood, the
community and how we uplift

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people and bring about change.
And as I went through my career,

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you know, I was a summer school
principal for a long time,

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assistant principal at a brand
new school open that up, went to

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another school as a principal
that heavy military connected

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families.
We did a lot of work with

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military connected families, was
there for about 12 years at

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Ashland Elementary School.
We've made a lot of great work

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there.
Huge school improvements.

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We went from the 422nd ranked
school in the state to the 49th

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ranked school in the state based
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Had Betsy DeVos, Secretary of
Education, come visit our school

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and a lot of great things
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But ultimately each school's own
journey and Ellis that one of

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the cool things is that we have
such a great team around us

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right now that all have the same
mindset about doing everything

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we possibly can to make sure
that every single student is

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successful.
And that's easier said than

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done.
We have a community that

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generally has lower academic
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So we have a lot of students
that are learning English.

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We have a lot of English
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We probably have about 60 to 70%
English learners in our school.

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And so when you look at a
kindergarten classroom that has

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50% of them coming in, our level
1 LS, you know, creates its own

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challenge.
But we're making some great

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gains this year.
We went from, well, I've been

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here for a couple years now.
Let me back that up to a couple

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years.
And before I got here that 8

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principals in nine years at
this, wow.

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So think about that, 8
principals in nine years.

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They had about 70% turnover
before I got here and staffing

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and we are.
So that's one of the reasons I'm

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here.
It's it's a great opportunity

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all around.
And the staff are really excited

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that I was here.
I was excited to be here to help

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them.
And what was cool is when I'm

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walking the door, it wasn't like
people were making excuses.

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People were fired up.
They're like, we want, we want

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this thing.
We want you to do your thing.

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They knew some of the work I've
done in the past.

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They're like go all in green
light and I was to me, you know,

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I reflect on leadership all the
time and then I tell you what

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the ability as a leader to feel
confident that you can be

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authentic and do you and like
really go all in is it's hard to

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describe how valuable that is.
And so today, educator

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listening, how we support
leaders is so important.

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You know, we always talk about
leader supporting others and of

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course, 100% certain leadership,
but how we support leaders and

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how we empower them and how we
build confidence in them is so

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important because that then
makes their work more natural,

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authentic, and, and they're able
to connect better.

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Because as a leader, if, if
you're feeling worried or afraid

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or, or lacking confidence, it's
hard for you to be authentic to

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connect because you're always,
you're always like second

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guessing everything.
You're not being bold.

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And at our school, I really
appreciate those around me that

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were able to do that for me.
And since then we've made some

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great strides and reading
ability and our we're hitting

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our levels with English learners
with the Weeda tests.

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And this year we were able to
get down from a couple years

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ago, we were like 20 some
percent in attendance to chronic

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absenteeism.
And we're down to like 8% this

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year in chronic absenteeism,
just like just like a year and a

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half, like 2 years.
So we just have a great team

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around us that's really going
all in.

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So, and back to your question
about even connecting today is

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we have summer school today.
So we're we're non-stop.

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You know, we we ended the school
year and immediately went right

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into summer school.
And we're hosting this this sort

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of area for Princeton County
schools on not just our school,

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but other students.
So we have a building full of

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kids right now.
And shout out to summer school

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principal, Mr. Kellican, because
we're running that one of our

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assistant principals.
And so we had to do a fire

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drill.
So even in the summertime.

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And I got to say I will segue
all over the place.

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So that's how I am doping.
But the principal time used to

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be quiet, used to be summertime,
used to be quiet, used to be

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ghost town, you know, like you
and the secretary, maybe the,

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the, the custodians.
And now it's not we're now it's,

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we have summer school going on.
We got SAC going on, which is

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our, our summer care.
We got fire drills, we got

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lockdown drills.
We do it all now.

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And so it's a it's a different
time period, but we're happy to

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have the kids in the building.
So listen, I mean, it's exciting

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for sure and in what you've
described really is what we

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would describe in the literature
as a turn around school and I'm

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going to teach a course this
summer on culture,

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organizational culture and
leading change.

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What advice, particularly from
this your school as a case

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study?
What advice will you give to a

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new principal on how to
establish a culture that

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supports the success of
students, but not only of

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students, but also of the adults
in the building as well?

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This is a lesson I've learned
over time, and I'll tell you

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what experience is a gift.
I've learned a lot of hard

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lessons.
I feel like, right, I've done a

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lot of good things and I feel
like I made some bunch of

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mistakes as well.
And the one thing I kept coming

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back to and going into this
level this, this next position

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is one you got to get those.
You got to get like your hedge

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straight.
You, you, you as a leader have

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to really be clear about what
you're trying to accomplish.

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But it's a very fine line
between you going all in and not

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listening, but you also have to
listen completely along the way.

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So it's sort of contradictory in
a way, but it's not really

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because people can better
understand who you are if you

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are very clear as to what your
vision is for how the school

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should be run.
But I think some of that vision

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should be loose in a vision.
So meaning that overall big

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picture, this is what I believe.
So instead of this is what we

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should do, this is what I
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Those are two different things.
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important for you to be very
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then help A-Team figure out what
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And immediately, one of the
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a schedule.
It's cool now the different

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tools we have, because you can
set a scheduler where they can

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sign up to meet with you.
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the job, I came in and met with
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Everybody came in and all I did
was listen, listen, listen,

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listen, listen, and that's the
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Listen to what people want,
listen to what they need, listen

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to where they want to go with
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those challenges and don't
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you find some easy wins, because
when you listen to people, you

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find some easy wins.
You find a pattern of, you know,

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all these people want this, OK,
go for it.

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So a small a little example with
branding is people loved were

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the explorers and we had all
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so many different principles
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There's different like branding
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explorers and all that.
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deal, it kind of is a big deal
because it sets a sort of a

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clear foundation for the school
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That's like the one thing, the
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coming up, coming up.
So I'm like, all right, that's

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an easy whim.
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So we went and slightly revised
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idea of space and astronaut.
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name of the school, because the
name of the school is from

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Suella Ellis, who was a legend
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Princeton County.
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librarian and she loves science
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the explorer concept.
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if you can connect the dots a
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So you see where I'm going with
this is I'm connecting the dots,

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what people want, I'm connecting
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boom, there's a win.
So if you can find those wanes

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early on, I think there's some
easy ones if you really listen

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to pay attention and understand
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is.
And when I did that, well, it

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works.
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doesn't work.
So always go back to that.

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When I was at Ashland
Elementary, there's a military

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connected school.
I mean, we just had so many, we

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were close to Quantico and Fort
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A lot of people worked at the
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And so just the area was a lot
of families are military

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connected.
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America, red, white and blue on
everything because it, but it

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took me a minute to figure that
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You just embrace what makes your
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And our school, the other part
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community.
So like I talked about military

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connected families for this,
this community here, it's it's

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definitely embracing, you know,
our Hispanic heritage.

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We have a lot of Hispanic
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because we have sort of a

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changing demographic in our
community with all sorts of

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different, you know, the Middle
East and a lot of different

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languages.
But when we go all in, like we

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do a Hispanic heritage night and
we got mariachi band and we did

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all the lights outside.
We had like a big Fiesta fall

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for the whole thing, man.
And man, they just people love

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it, love it, love it because
they know that you're embracing,

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appreciating and valuing who
they are as people and families.

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I'm not trying to make them who
I am, right?

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It's not about me, right?
It's about it's about who they

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are.
So when it comes down to like, I

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go back to like, be clear about
what you believe, Like I believe

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and make sure all kids should be
successful and that we, we

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include every child and that we
make academic strides and, and

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that like school should feel
like amazing for everyone when

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they come in the door.
Like there's no excuse for that.

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But the do should really go
towards what people want and

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what they need and who they are.
And the more I felt I was able

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to do both of those things,
well, then you hit those home

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runs, right?
But I go back to like, you need

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to know where you can kind of go
all in with and where you can't

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because there's a reality of
situations you're walking into.

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And so while I, when I was
younger, I probably felt like I

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could walk in any school and
I'll just crush it no matter

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what.
I don't, I don't feel that way

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now.
I feel like you really need to

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adapt and change and grow and
stop making it about you

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automatically changing and doing
things, but really listening to

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what people need because you're
going to find a lot of authentic

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natural growth opportunities
within that space when you

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listen to people.
You said a word earlier about

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being one's authentic self, and
in some ways this sort of

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encapsulates that idea because
one is you having your having

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clarity on your beliefs and your
belief system and your values.

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But then through the power of
listening you, you open up the

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channel for empathy and
understanding, which as you say,

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what do those in the community
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So that allows them to be
authentic in terms of how they

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contribute to the success of the
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So.
And I hate to interrupt you, but

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I think that's why we are always
working on family engagement,

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for instance, right?
In some schools I've been at,

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family engagement was not a
problem.

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Family engagement in the sense
of making people sort of

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satisfied is different, but
there's a family engagement of

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getting them in the building,
which is what we're trying to

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do, like get them involved, get
them active.

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And that's another huge gains
that we've had.

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And I think that's a big part of
it, like you said, is I think

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they know that we like them and
we appreciate them for who they

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are and we're not judging them.
And a lot of our families,

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frankly, are concerned about
coming into business and, and

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like sort of government
institutions right now.

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And so we have to make sure that
they know that this is safe

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space for them and that we
appreciate who they are

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specifically and we get to know
them.

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And that's going to the next
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Huge goal that we have from all
of our staff members, all of our

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teachers is you need to build
like personal, like real

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meaningful relationships.
This isn't just about

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communication, right?
We talk about family engagement.

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It's not just about telling them
information and then expect them

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to do something.
It's called they need to know

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that we're friends and that we
have a relationship and that we

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both care about each other.
And then the more that they feel

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that, the more that they will
then naturally be engaged in

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events, helping their kid at
home, all those things.

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So for instance, we do a lot of
work with celebrating our

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students.
So this year we added a lot with

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just even reading growth first.
So for every student who leveled

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up in our state, our state
assessment reading growth

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measure, we had a big
celebration mid year and end of

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the year.
So we we bring all the families

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in, we give a kid a trophy, a
certificate, make such a big

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deal out of it and we get great
attendance for things like that.

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At first we didn't though,
because the first parents didn't

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know we were doing them because
then no one ever did this

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before.
So we're like, no, no, no, let

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me be clear.
And I actually had, we have a

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panel liaison, Miss Gordata.
She's awesome.

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And so I said, I said Natalia, I
said Natalia, I want you to call

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them and, and leave a message
with them.

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She speaks Spanish.
I said let them know that Doctor

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Jack says they need to come in
and if they don't come in and

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their child is going to look for
them in the audience and they're

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not going to see them, I'm like,
I'm telling you, you need to be

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here.
It is that important.

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We want you here.
And I think that kind of sort of

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aggressive outreach makes a huge
difference.

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For instance, another thing is
that we did, we started home

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visits for all of our
kindergarteners.

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So we go to every single
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And frankly, there's a lot of
times where we've heard in the

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past, oh, it's not safe.
You don't want to go to those

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communities.
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Yeah.
I'm like, whatever, you know.

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And so my, my Allison Barnhart,
my counselor and, and Natalia

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and my we would drove around my
truck and we were like going in

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all the neighborhoods and we're
like knocking all these doors

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and all the parents are super
excited since we drop off a

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T-shirt for the kindergarten,
take selfies, the whole deal.

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And when you talk about like the
work we do to make schools, you

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talk about transform.
I don't I, yeah, I know there's

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sort of a turn around
transformation, but the reality

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is we just got to do a lot of
great work for kids and

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families.
And if you do that, great things

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will happen, right?
Such a believer in the, the

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wooden, John Wooden kind of
mentality of, you know, little

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things make the big things
happen.

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You know, if you take care of
all these little things, then

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you're going to get great family
engagement, you're going to get

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great scores eventually.
But if you don't do the little

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things, I can guarantee you that
won't happen, right?

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I, I can definitely appreciate
it.

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And it's, it's clear that your
parents also appreciate the

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outreach and the intentional
connectivity.

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We're speaking with Doctor
Andrew Jacks, who is principal

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of Ellis Elementary School in
Manassas, VA, and he's also a

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fellow for the National
Association of Elementary School

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Principals.
So let's talk a bit about this

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conference, the National School
Leaders Conference in 2026 to be

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held in Orlando.
For someone who may not be

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familiar with the conference as
a new principal, what would you

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say to someone who will be a
first time attending?

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Why should they attend and what
would should they?

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What should they expect or can
they expect?

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Well, I'm so glad we're talking
about this because I do believe

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that this has helped support not
only my growth, but my, my, I

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wouldn't be the job.
I got to be honest with you.

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I don't know that I'd be the job
if I didn't have this kind of

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connection support from a
principal association.

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And we're unique in it with an
AESP because it's not like an

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association like sometimes you
think about with like teacher

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unions and all that.
And those have a place too.

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But this isn't so much this is
really more about how do we

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advocate for principals,
celebrate them and grow them.

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And that's the biggest thing.
It's a unique in that there's no

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expectation that we're just here
to like like sugarcoat the work.

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We're here to grow leaders is
what the the work is.

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And ultimately, if you go to a
conference, you should look for

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big three big things, which is 1
is to get connected.

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You're able to be truly
authentically connected with

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school leaders across the
country and across the world in

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ways that are are long term
friendship kind of oriented.

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Like I was able to meet people
who in the long run we became

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friends, have been to each
other, houses and all that

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stuff.
So you go from like a social

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media friend to like a real
friend, but then you're also

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able to meet, connect with like
authors and speakers.

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And I remember I had a great
conversation with John Gordon,

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like recently, a conference that
he was last year before and we

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heard speak love John Gordon's
work.

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And afterwards, we're in the
hallway, we're talking and, and

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just him and another person,
we're having like an authentic

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conversation about like
leadership with John Gordon.

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And he's talking about, yeah, I
was just at this like

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professional team and I was
working with their owner and

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blah, blah.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, this

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is like the best.
And so soaking that all in.

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So truly being connected, but
then also getting ideas and

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getting inspired from those
ideas.

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So getting connected, getting
ideas and being inspired.

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And those ideas ultimately are
sometimes ones you know about,

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but they're sometimes a
different way of thinking about

451
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,960
these same issues.
So years ago, I'll give a little

452
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,920
bit of story House of the
conference and I heard Joe

453
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,920
Sanfilippo and Tony Sananis and
they were talking about the

454
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,400
effect of social media.
This is funny to look back at

455
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,920
these years.
You know, that's how ages

456
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,720
ourselves a little bit here.
But they were talking about the

457
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,720
effect of social media with
school communication.

458
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,760
And I heard this and this is the
very beginning of all that.

459
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:29,280
And I, and I, I, I didn't think,
I really thought to myself,

460
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,840
Andy, you should be doing this.
Like, why aren't you doing this?

461
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,040
You can do this.
You should do this.

462
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,640
Like it gave me the level of
like inspiration, but also a

463
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,520
little bit of a kick, you know,
kind of like, why are you doing

464
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,960
this?
You know, quit making excuses.

465
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,040
So I, I, I took notes and I
talked to them personally.

466
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,880
And then I went back to my
school division.

467
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,360
And at that time, we didn't have
the capability to do that within

468
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:52,800
school.
Like it was all blocked, all

469
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,600
Twitter at the time and
Facebook, all that stuff was

470
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,560
blocked.
So we couldn't use it for

471
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,360
school.
So I went back to our division.

472
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:00,480
Our division's pretty innovative
and progressive.

473
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,200
So I met with the school, the
actual division leadership.

474
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,040
We have a large school division.
And I said, here's what I want

475
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,160
to do.
I need the green light.

476
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,320
I know this is going to work.
Here's examples, here's the

477
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,400
communication style.
And they'll like go for it.

478
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,560
So we piloted it at our school
and it just blew out.

479
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,040
You know, it just blew out and,
and now, now it's turned maybe a

480
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,840
little bit darker, but you know,
by the time it was such an

481
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,800
effective way to change how we
communicate and connect with

482
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,520
families and it was a
transformational within the

483
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,480
division as well.
So, and that's a spark, right?

484
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,400
So these, these school leaders
conferences like this, you can

485
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,920
go and mess around and not enjoy
it, but the reality of that is

486
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,320
you're going to get sucked in
somewhere.

487
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,360
So even if you, I don't know
that you can go to it without

488
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,280
getting takeaways because you're
going to get you're going to get

489
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,280
sucked into a session or sucked
into a conversation or in the

490
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,160
hallway meeting somebody.
You're like, oh man, I can do

491
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,320
that.
Or wow, they're doing this.

492
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,040
And you hear all these people
are just fired up for the work

493
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,360
that they're doing.
We have sessions that are called

494
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,960
like boom sessions where you
have multiple people that are in

495
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,320
different geographical parts of
the country.

496
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,960
They're all coming together and
sharing like quick hits like

497
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,800
this real popular stuff.
So to me, that's one of the best

498
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,400
parts of the work I do, not just
locally, but it's sort of

499
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,040
nationally and a little bit
internationally is it's like all

500
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,480
of us are struggling with some
of these same concepts and

501
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,720
ideas, but there's a lot of
different ways of going about

502
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,040
the solutions towards those
problems.

503
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:29,560
And so ultimately, I'm, I really
excited when I hear different

504
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,720
innovative solutions that I feel
like we could do.

505
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,320
Like, why are you doing it?
And so with a conference like

506
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,160
this, you just can't.
You can't not get solutions,

507
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240
whether it's the hallway
conversations or the sessions

508
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:50,990
themselves.
This year the organizers are

509
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:56,080
introducing the principals camp,
so can you tell us a bit about

510
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,800
that?
Because it's something new.

511
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,360
So even for folks who are
returning, what can they expect?

512
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:04,520
What is this principal's camp
about?

513
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:12,680
What will one gain by attending?
It's, it's, it's it's it's, it's

514
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,920
a lot of fun.
Looking forward to because it's

515
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,440
a it's a full day session that
is broken up and sort of like

516
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,680
rotational sessions throughout
the day.

517
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,880
It's meant to serve new
principals, veteran principals

518
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,240
and aspiring principals and
assistant principals,

519
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,880
administrative interns, anyone
looking to get into

520
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,560
administration and it's going to
be adjusted accordingly to these

521
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,080
different groups.
But all of all of its coming

522
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,720
together this year.
We're just kind of neat because

523
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,000
I've done sessions pre
concessions before where you

524
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,000
guys completely separate thing
for new ones and veterans, but

525
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,200
we're doing this rotational
thing through all of them.

526
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,920
And we have the big speaker for
this one is Todd Whitaker, who

527
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,400
is definitely well known and
well respected speaker, very

528
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,120
knowledgeable.
And he is, it's going to do the

529
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,960
main session and some breakout.
I'm also doing a breakout

530
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,320
session and we have others doing
breakout sessions.

531
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,840
And then ultimately though, the
theme is the camp kind of camp

532
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,280
thing.
So we have like camp shirts and

533
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,080
we have like sort of camp
counselors.

534
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,960
So our, our fellows for the
Centers for Advancing Leadership

535
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,000
at any NAESP are going to be
those camp counselors.

536
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,120
And it's going to be a lot of
fun because we're trying to make

537
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:29,160
it just like we do a lot of the
conferences.

538
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,280
It's not just sit and get, it's
not just something you can get

539
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,120
somewhere else.
It's an experience, you know,

540
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,680
it's connection.
And so we're looking forward to

541
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,320
that.
The theme this year of the the

542
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,320
camping.
So Doctor jets, this, This is

543
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,440
incredible.
There's really you're talking

544
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,840
about connecting, renewing,
learning and inspiring folks,

545
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,200
but also how one can approach
the conference with from a

546
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,600
solutions oriented approach,
bring solutions back to their

547
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,440
school once everything has been
said and done.

548
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,480
From your experience, how do you
maintain the momentum or that

549
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,320
energy from the conference and
how does NASP help to foster

550
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,560
that continued growth outside of
the conference environment?

551
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:25,720
A. 100% you need to maintain
that momentum because these

552
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,720
conferences give you that like
jolt of excitement.

553
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,240
But if you don't go back and put
things into work and maintain

554
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,760
those connections, then it's
easy to get back into the rut

555
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,280
And just to go back to the
conference because one of the

556
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,720
things we look at is leadership
is how do we have these

557
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,960
conversations that are pushing
us in a positive direction

558
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,480
versus ones that just get us
negative about the job?

559
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,520
The one cool thing about a
conference like this is people

560
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,680
are pretty positive and it's a
it's a can do attitude at this

561
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,280
conference.
Like, and generally with this

562
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,040
association, principal
associations have a yeah, I

563
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,080
mean, people grumble a little
bit.

564
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,960
But in general, comparatively to
like our principal meetings or

565
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,080
these other things that we all
go to where it's like, you know,

566
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,200
these side conversations are
like, oh wait, wait, wait.

567
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,920
But the reality in this kind of
thing is it's, it's a positive

568
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,800
momentum building like, you
know, like, man, let's do this

569
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,360
work.
And, and we're all about the

570
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,400
kids and things like that.
So, but part of that is that

571
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,680
connection.
So one of the best things you

572
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,760
can do is be connected with
people at this conference and

573
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,880
then keep those relationships
going forward.

574
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,360
And that could be as simple as
phone calls and, and emails,

575
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,800
etcetera.
But also we have automatic as we

576
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,000
do within an AESP, for instance,
we have Centers for advancing

577
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,080
leadership.
So that was something that

578
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:43,000
Doctor Franks, our our current
leader at NASP who's retiring

579
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640
this year, he started the
Centers for advancing leadership

580
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,840
with me and Doctor branch.
And we provide opportunity

581
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,440
throughout the year in different
categories.

582
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440
So it could be women in
leadership, innovative

583
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,640
leadership, middle level
leadership, diversity in

584
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200
leadership.
And so we try to provide a wide

585
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,160
variety of ways for people to
get connected in ways that they

586
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,880
feel like is important to them
or part of who they are in their

587
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,280
journey.
We do that through meetups

588
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,640
online, we do that through
webinars, we do that through

589
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,280
podcasting like this.
But ultimately we're trying to

590
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,840
find ways that that is that that
works for them.

591
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,640
You know, it's, it's a, it's a
evolving landscape right now on

592
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,880
how we communicate with each
other.

593
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,040
And so first we do at least like
twice a month, we have webinars

594
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,000
series where people can watch it
live and then go back and you

595
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,240
can watch all the series now.
Brodie Cafele with Tal Waker, we

596
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040
just did one all sorts of
leaders out there, but we also

597
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,440
do a lot of work to promote the
actual work happening in schools

598
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,880
too.
So we have like authors and

599
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,400
speakers that we listen to, but
then we also do a lot of work

600
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,440
because that's something I'm
really passionate about is, you

601
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,880
know, I can go down the street,
I can go across the country.

602
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,040
And I love finding schools that
are just hitting it and

603
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,240
principals that are on fire
because they're all over the

604
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800
place and you may not know about
them at all, but they're there.

605
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760
And so the more that we can do
to uplift them and highlight

606
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,400
them, I think it makes us all
better.

607
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,640
So Andy, is this part of the
what you're talking about?

608
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Is that part of the learning
communities?

609
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,440
Cause Gracie Branch was on the
show before, she did highlight

610
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,720
the learning communities that
happen regularly and folks

611
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,640
aren't required to attend, but
highly encouraged.

612
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,720
And the diversity of topics are
designed specifically based on

613
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,720
the needs of principles within
the networks themselves.

614
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,400
Correct.
And so our learning communities

615
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:46,160
cover the Centers for advancing
leadership in the work we do.

616
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,560
But there's a lot of crossover.
There's also, we also have work

617
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,440
for new principals and admiring
principals.

618
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,320
We have a mentorship program.
It's how to be a mentor for

619
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,320
other principals, which I've
done, which is a great program

620
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,440
because it really helps you
think about how to sort of

621
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
support the work that others are
doing going into this journey.

622
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,360
So there's a lot of different
opportunities for either a brand

623
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,160
new principal, aspiring
principal, or veteran principal.

624
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,680
Also, we work with kindergarten
and preschool through 8th grade.

625
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,200
So we do middle school as well,
which people don't realize.

626
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,960
So we do a lot of work with
middle school.

627
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520
And I really appreciate our spin
on it because, you know, middle

628
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,040
school is that weird age where
it's sort of secondary, sort of

629
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,920
elementary, depending on how you
run it, depending on how the the

630
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,680
division is, right?
And I think both views are

631
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,840
important to look at it that
way.

632
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,720
But definitely there's a lot of
work that we can do in middle

633
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,480
schools that capture the essence
of what we're talking about, how

634
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,520
to make this great school
culture and make kids feel

635
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,160
connected and sense of
belonging, etcetera.

636
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,240
But also it's part of that
learning communities, like you

637
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,520
said, about listening to the
audience, just like we talked

638
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,120
about listening to your audience
at school, we need to listen to

639
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,720
the principal audience.
And the principal audience has

640
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,600
told us that they have a lot of
different desires and needs to

641
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,520
talk about, you know, whether
it's how do we make sure

642
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:03,520
different groups in our school
feel included and have a seat at

643
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,480
the table or whether it's, I
know for one of us, it's like,

644
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,160
it's a big thing about just
being more innovative again.

645
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,240
Like, how do we get back into
this work of innovation?

646
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,760
Because in some ways we've
COVID, like made us feel like

647
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,440
we're innovative.
Then we got right back like a

648
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,280
rubber band, like right back
into the rut afterwards.

649
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,000
And so I think we're, we're back
in the mindset of like, OK, how

650
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,520
do we get more progressive and
innovative and exciting into our

651
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,000
schools?
But what's cool about that is

652
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,640
that may be your jam.
You may not want to talk about

653
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,240
the other thing.
And that's OK, That's OK.

654
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,200
We got room for all for
everyone.

655
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,560
And so try to listen to the
audience.

656
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,760
And that's why I really
recommend people to be involved

657
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,080
and to voice what they want,
because we send surveys out.

658
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,400
We try to get this through
conversations and through like

659
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,640
small groups.
But ultimately we will do what

660
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,840
the people need and what they
want.

661
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,400
That's the goal of the
association because it's it's

662
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,080
for principals by principals,
that kind of mindset.

663
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,720
So the goal is really to be a
resource to that community and

664
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,800
to uplift the community.
We're speaking with Doctor

665
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,760
Andrew Jacks, who is principal
of Ellis Elementary School in

666
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,679
Manassas, VA.
He's also a fellow for the

667
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,880
National Association of
Elementary School Principals.

668
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,520
So, Doctor Jacks, how does 1
become a fellow?

669
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,960
So we have an application
process and we are continuing to

670
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,280
seek principals, school leaders,
people associated with the

671
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,000
principal job that are are
highly engaged in the work and

672
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080
that want to serve and and build
others up.

673
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,760
And so look for the application
process to come out.

674
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,280
We're actually in the process of
revamping a little bit to create

675
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,800
what I call The Avengers team.
You know, where we have in the

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past, we've had a lot of
different sort of breakout

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things going on and we're trying
to unify and, and, and pull some

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that together going forward.
Because I think there's so much

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crossover.
We talked about the work we do

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that even though we want to dive
into some conversations, we

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don't want to pigeonhole people.
We don't want to make people

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00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,480
feel like they're not this like
fragmented or siloed, right?

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00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,400
We want to make sure again, that
we're always trying to include

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everyone to make sure people
feel together.

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So we're looking for people that
are willing to do that, frankly,

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and that want to put some work
in and that want to highlight

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other principles.
And so if you're interested in

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doing that, we got room for you.
So hit me up.

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And there will be an application
process online, but you'll be

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able to see more of our program
on the NAESP website.

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Thank you for listening to the
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Podcast, and we would like to
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School leaders, have you ever

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hit a point in the school year
where you're pouring into

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00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,800
everyone else, but realizing no
one is pouring into you?

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00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,800
That's exactly why the National
School Leaders Conference exists

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00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,080
July 13th through 15th in
Orlando.

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00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,800
NAESP is bringing together
principals and school leaders

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00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,840
from across the country for a
few days of learning,

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00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,640
connection, engagement, and real
world conversations about

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00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,600
leadership.
It's more than a conference.

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00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,200
It's a chance to step away from
the daily demands, recharge your

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00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,680
mindset, and return to your
school with fresh ideas and

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00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,800
renewed purpose.
Because strong leaders deserve

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00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,720
spaces to grow, too.
Learn more at NAESP

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00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,720
conference.org.
That's NAESP.

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00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:13,440
Conference.org and Andy, before
we close out, I know that you

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00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,080
have other projects outside of
your building.

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00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,280
So and many of those contribute
to, as you mentioned earlier at

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the top of the show, this whole
notion of how do we develop

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principles.
So you are you have some

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00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,160
consulting work and you public
speaking, what's next for you

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00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,120
and there your school or the
work that you're engaging that

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00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,200
members of the add up
accelerated excellence community

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00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,440
might be interested in and how
can they connect with you?

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00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,520
My coaching and any type of
consulting speaking work really

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00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,320
stems from this desire to learn
and grow myself and those

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00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,360
lessons I've learned sort of the
hard way, lessons I learned in

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00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,880
school every day.
And I love what I do as a

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00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,720
principal and I bring all that
with me when I speak and I I

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00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,800
share with others.
Specifically, I do a lot of

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00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,280
speaking on school culture, on
school improvement, discipline.

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00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,880
I've read a book called
Discipline Win, which talks

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00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,400
about strategies on how to make
sure that every child successful

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00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,880
and how to rethink the work that
we do with school discipline

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that did my dissertation and how
to eliminate exclusionary

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discipline for students with
disabilities.

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And so I'm also a very
passionate disability advocate

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from the president of the Autism
Society of Northern Virginia.

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I have a child with autism.
So one of my strong belief

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systems is at the core of what I
do is make sure that all kids,

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special students with
disabilities feel like they are

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00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,520
wanted and that they belong in a
school.

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And so I want to make sure that
I know the strategies on how to

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00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,080
share those things.
So again, when I, when I wrote

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00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,240
this plan, when it wasn't
because I was like trying to

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00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,200
write a book, and frankly, I was
frustrated because we didn't

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00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,520
have a lot of good solutions to
rethink school discipline.

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00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,920
And I was sitting in front of a
parent and I had seen this this

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00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,920
work about how how negative
suspensions are and how

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00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,200
ineffective they are.
And so I started like really

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00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,160
rethinking it and not a parent
that we were going to give a

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00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,600
suspension to for 5th grader.
And she looked at me and she

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00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,400
goes, you talk this big game
about, you know, changing things

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,920
up and make sure every kid is
successful.

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00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,000
But here you are kicking my kid
out.

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00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,240
And I looked, I said, you're not
wrong.

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00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,840
You're not wrong.
You you change my thinking.

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00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,720
You called me out.
And, and ever since then, I've

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00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,880
been really more mindful about
what we do with kids and, and am

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00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
I doing everything I say I want
to be doing.

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00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,520
And so that's where my passion
lies.

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00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,640
So you can connect with me at
andyjacks.com or on social

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00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,680
media.
I'm all over.

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00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,320
But ultimately, if you want
someone that can come talk about

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00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,920
relevant current stories that
are happening in school.

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I love what I do as a school
principal here at Ellis.

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,480
So that's always my number 1.
And I can give real authentic

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00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,360
stories about the challenges of,
of a turn around situation

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00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,120
because I'm not one of those
speakers that's going to tell

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00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,760
you it's so easy and just do
these steps.

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00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,840
No, it's hard work, but there's
some mindset shifts you have to

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00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,440
make.
And first of all, you got to

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00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,280
look in the mirror.
You know, I talk a lot about

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00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,000
feelings, fidelity, follow
through, making sure that we

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00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
have a heart in the right place,
that we're doing the work the

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00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,360
way it's supposed to be done,
that we're consistent every day

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00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,880
to make sure that happens.
And so if you want to work with

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00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,800
me, whether it's coaching or
speaking, please connect with me

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00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,280
because I I love the idea of
sharing, helping to grow others.

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00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,880
So there you have it folks.
You have the contact with Doctor

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00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Andy Jacks as well as we're
going to put notes in about the

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00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,480
National School Leaders
Conference powered by the

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National Association of
Elementary School Principals.

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00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,320
You may find information about
the conference at NAESP

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00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,560
conference.org.
That's NAESP conference.org.

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And Doctor Jacks, I want to
thank you for this opportunity

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00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,800
to speak more about the
conference and to learn with and

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00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,560
from you here at Add Up
Accelerated Excellence.

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00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,080
Where we seek to advance
educational excellence and

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00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,440
equity.
Thank you for having me keep up

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00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,400
the great work.
Thank you so much.

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00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Thank you for engaging with add
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00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,560
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00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,680
13th through 15th.
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