Dr. E. M. Nuñez and Malik Harouna—Supporting first-generation student success through entrepreneurship, learning from positive failure

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So generally speaking, our first
year scholars, our freshman

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scholars, their pitch
presentations are going to focus

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on discovery, the why, What are
you do or the what, what are you

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doing?
Why are you doing it?

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What problem is it going to
solve?

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And why is it important to you,
right, to really understand?

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Do you have the intrinsic
motivation that's going to allow

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you to push through challenges?
Because as we've talked to our

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scholars, 90% of this experience
is going to be learning from

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what doesn't work, right?
So really trying to enforce that

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pedagogy of positive failure,
right?

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And then our second years are
moving towards building, right?

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Or someone like Malik, who's a
first year, but he's already

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been building, already testing
his his app and has, you know,

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Co founders and has funding.
So it really is up to the

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student on how fast their
project can develop because this

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does take a lot of time outside
of the classroom for them to put

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in to make sure that they are
progressing.

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And then as they pitch, they get
feedback on what they can do

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better, what they should really
solidify and then also is

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determined on the level of
funding that they receive.

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And so there is up to $10,000.
That's.

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Welcome to Add Up Accelerated
Excellence, the podcast for the

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excellence and equity.

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And I am your host, Jacob
Easley, the second PhD PMP and

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we are back at San Francisco Bay
University.

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If you remember, we first bought
spoke to the Provost, Brad

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Fuster there.
And now we want to highlight a

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program that he mentioned, which
is the Scholars program.

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And for this episode, we have
Doctor EM Nunez, who is the

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assistant director for Scholar
Support and Educational Access,

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and Malik Haruna, who is the
Chief Technical Officer for a

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line and we'll get into that.
So both of you, welcome,

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welcome, welcome to the podcast.
And we'll start with you, Doctor

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E, could you give voice to your
name as only you can by greeting

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the Add up Accelerated
Excellence community, followed

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by Malik and then Dr. E, can you
just tell us what's top of mind

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for you right now as we close
out the 20th, 2020, five, 2026

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academic year?
Of course.

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Well, thank you Jaco for having
us today.

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It's really an honor to be here
and excited to talk about the

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Startup Scholars program with
you.

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As mentioned, my name is Doctor
E Nunez.

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I go by Doctor EI, use they them
pronouns, and I have the

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pleasure of serving as the
Assistant Director for Scholar

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Support and Educational Access
at San Francisco Bay University.

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I consider myself a long time
educator.

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I come from a family of
educators.

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So this is not only a job, a
profession of mine, but it

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really truly is my life's work
and how I see that I am able to

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continue not only my legacy, but
the legacy of my family as

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educators for sure.
Thank you for that, Malik.

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Hi, my name is Monique Caruno.
I'm a freshman for upcoming

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sophomore at San Francisco Bay
University, I'm a college record

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alumni from the Grant Center at
PG County, and I'm the Co

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founder and CDO of Align
Incorporated.

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Oh, excellent.
Thank you.

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So, Dr. E, you mentioned that
you come from a line of

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educators.
How influential was that for you

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to pursue your own pathway in
the education profession?

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Oh, it was essential.
I am adopted, and I was adopted

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by my 7th grade social studies
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And so education went from
something in my life that was

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never talked about to then.
It was an expectation and that

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was a quick transition for me.
But I quickly realized that, you

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know, given the, the area where
I grew up, you know, being first

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Jack myself, first generation
college student, being a student

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who's low income, I knew
education was my pathway towards

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something meaningful.
And my, my mom and, and the, the

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family really instilled that
into me into the moment.

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They welcomed me into, into the
family.

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Simply put, there would be no
Dr. E without my family

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encouraging me again, I thought
high school, you graduate from

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high school, you go to work,
right, Which there's nothing

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wrong with that.
And you know, my pathway was a

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little bit different.
I had opportunities open for me.

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I traveled abroad that I never
thought I'd travel abroad.

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I've experienced presenting at
conferences, getting to work

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with students like Malik to
really just pour back into what

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was poured into me.
Because I think that without

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that, the legacy of my family as
educators just kind of stops

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with me.
And I and I don't want that to

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happen.
I want that to continue that

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process, that reciprocity to
continue to happen.

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Thank you.
And the Scholars program is

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relatively new at San Francisco
Bay University.

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How did it come to be?
Yes, great question.

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So Malik is our second is a part
of our second cohort and we are

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getting ready to welcome our
third cohort in the fall of

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2026.
So, you know, the Startup

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Scholars program really came to
be where San Francisco Bay

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University is, is in a place
where we're trying to rebrand

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ourselves, trying to really
disrupt higher education in a

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way that we know there are
challenges as educators that

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face first generation college
students.

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And unfortunately, a lot of the
issues that faced me as a first

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generation college student
entering as a freshman in fall

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of 2003 are similar or the same
that students now entering in

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fall 2026 are facing, right?
So there's been very little

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movement.
And so really this program in

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this university was poised to do
something different.

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And through research found out
that's not surprised to some of

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us that a lot of the barriers
that face first generation

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college students are two things
main things, access to

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opportunities to people that can
help them carve their own

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pathway forward, whatever that
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And also financial barriers.
College is becoming more and

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more expensive these days.
Life is becoming more and more

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expensive in California.
We are, we are lucky to have the

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California Community College
system that has the California

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promise.
And that is not a pathway for

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all students.
And so really what SFBU has done

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is open the pathway, remove
financial barriers through the

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Startup Scholars program, so
that first generation college

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students from all over the US,
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to where Malik is to New
Orleans, to New York and all

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through California, which those
are the areas that all of our

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scholars represent.
They're able to come here

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without any financial barriers.
And they're really able to come

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here to explore ideas, explore
possibilities in a small knit

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community that is here for one
purpose and that is for their

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success.
So really the startup scholar

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program was an Ave. for students
to come into the university and

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really is one of the main entry
points for first generation

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students of color and who are
also low income to enter SFBU.

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And so really it's it's been
modeled.

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There are similar programs at
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UT State also has a a similar
program.

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So we've definitely taken it's
some best practices from those

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programs and really try to model
it towards what's happening in

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Silicon Valley, what's happening
here at SFBU and what we know is

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able to set students up for
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And again, that's removing
barriers of financial barriers

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and then providing access.
So I have one last question for

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you before I get to Malik,
because Malik I have quite AI

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want to really know about your
experience, but what was the

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decision?
How was the decision to think

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about a national model versus a
California or regional based

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model?
Right, Well, SMBU has its roots

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in being a predominantly
International University, right?

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We have a large number of
international students and these

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students bring excellent
perspectives, academic knowledge

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and skills to the university.
And one way that our university

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president, President Nicola
Danny saw is that we can also do

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that by increasing our number of
domestic students.

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So US based students, right?
And you know, California, we are

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lucky that we have a lot of
institutions of higher

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education, and we are also lucky
to have very selective

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institutions of higher
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And being in the Silicon Valley,
we're in Fremont, CA, so we are

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neighbors to Silicon Valley.
Really, this is the space where

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innovation is happening.
This is a space where new things

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are being created.
So why not open up that space

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that can be seen as very, very
selective and very, very elite?

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And now why not open that up to
the nation in a time when

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innovation and great ideas are
needed to solve some of the

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world's biggest problems.
And so really the idea was

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always from the beginning was to
Open Access not only to folks

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within California, but across
the US.

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And I'm sure, as you will hear
from a leak, folks from across

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the US are bringing really great
ideas and doing really great

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things here on campus.
And we couldn't be more happy to

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have folks like Malika in our
program.

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I agree with you that this is
now the time for innovation and

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spaces like this.
So I appreciate the time for

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both of you today.
And Malik, so how did you come

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to learn of the Scholars program
and San Francisco Bay University

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in general all?
Righty, so I was being from PZ

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County Maryland.
I went to college.

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This college prep program
typically helps first generation

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low income minority students.
I believe now it's more first

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generation students more now as
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different throughout the
country.

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My center was funded slash
sponsored by the Durant family.

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Something I fig I learned I was
there was Kevin Durant went to

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the same middle school I did,
which was across the street from

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the college track, but we didn't
go to the same high school, but

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try to forget the college track,
which is great.

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They always mentioned to us that
they had college partnerships,

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which would be something that we
could look at when we're looking

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through our college options and
one of the options with San

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Francisco Bay University.
Originally I mentioned to my

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college advisor that I thought
about going to Schooner Bay

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Area, but that was maybe my
sophomore year might have said

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it one time and I pretty much
forgot about it.

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She mentioned to me like in
November, hey, remember how you

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say you went to the school in
California?

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We have this university and they
have this really nice program.

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Start scholars.
If you want to start a business

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or start up, they'll fund you,
they'll support right

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scholarship.
You should apply.

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I did apply.
I got in, I visited back in

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January last year.
I was really a little bit

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surprised.
The school has San Francisco in

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the name and we were in Fremont.
But I so let me give it a

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chance, see how it goes.
Other like cities maybe It's

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good.
I'm not in a city for university

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and I'm coming and it's been a
year now I've been here.

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So coming from the East Coast,
going to West Coast, we don't

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want to get into an East Coast,
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But other than not being in San
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given the name of the University
of San Francisco Bay University,

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what has surprised you the most?
Two parts.

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exciting aspect of just moving

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from the East Coast to the West
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So I've been around the country
and the world a lot in terms of

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living.
I've spent the amount of my life

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in Africa, West Africa, East
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One of the things that surprised
me here.

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I've heard a lot online in
Fremont, the drivers aren't very

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good.
The drivers are not not very

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good at all.
Not very nice either.

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I also thought the people kept
saying this would be like the

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best public transportation in
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I cannot.
I like the DC metro better.

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I like the DC metro a lot better
honestly than here.

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Yeah, yeah.
I, I, I'm in New York.

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So when you compare New York
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New York is a New York.
You take your chance.

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At least DC is a bit more, it
seems a bit more organized and

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cleaner.
I can't speak to what it looks

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like on the West Coast, but I
will say the doors in DC do not

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open once they start closing on
the on the Metro versus New

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York, you can put your bag in
the door and it and someone

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would open it potentially.
So Dr. E, your Provost mentioned

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that one of the crown jewels of
the Scholars program is a

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project that students have to
complete.

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Can you talk about sort of the,
the genesis and the I guess the

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parameters are bookends around
the tenants of this project and

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you can name it for us?
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So each scholar coming into the
program must have an idea for

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what we call a passion project.
They don't need to have it fully

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thought out.
They don't need to have anything

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outside of my idea.
They just have to have this

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intrinsic motivation, something
they are deeply passionate

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about.
Because we believe that if they

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are deeply passionate about it,
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they're going to want to persist
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push through because this is
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them.
And so we have 3 buckets of

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passion projects that students
work on what is an

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entrepreneurial venture, which
is what Malik is working on with

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this startup align.
These are really your, your,

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what you would call typical
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in the Silicon Valley, right?
And then we have something

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called community impact
projects.

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And those community impact
projects can be youth youth

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mentorship programs.
They can be, you know, things

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that provide services to
communities that are in need.

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And then our final bucket is a
research project, right?

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And it can be a research project
on anything.

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And one of our students
currently is doing a research

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project on the cognitive impacts
of AI usage, right?

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And so we have, we have projects
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categories.
And really through the Startup

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Scholars program, they attend a
seminar which is taught by

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faculty here at San Francisco
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And that seminar is really
guided as a coaching space.

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And so I think that in our in
our first two years, we've

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learned that students are eager
to get to work, to really dive

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into their passion projects.
And so in this next year, we're

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looking to really reimagine what
the curriculum looks like so

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that way we can make sure that
it is responsive to the needs of

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the students.
It meets students to at where

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they're at, where someone like
Malik who is maybe a little in

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our group of scholars who are a
little bit more far along and

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also is conducive to scholars
who are still in that discovery

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phase, right?
And so really we have milestones

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for the students to meet and it
can be when they're in the

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discovery phase.
Are you doing your research?

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Are you looking at other, for
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If you're looking to develop an
app, are you looking at your

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competitors?
How do you look at your

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competitors, right?
How do I, how do I leverage AI

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technology right?
And as someone who did not have

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a lot of experience with AI
before coming to SFBUI, really

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sat along with the students to
learn AI and how to use it

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properly, how to use it as a
tool, right, and how to embrace

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it.
And so through each, each

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semester, students are required
to do a pitch presentation.

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And this past pitch presentation
is focused on their wherever

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milestone they are at, right?
So generally speaking, our first

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year scholars, our freshman
scholars, their pitch

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presentations are going to focus
on discovery.

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The why, what do you do or the
what, what are you doing?

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Why are you doing it?
What problem is it going to

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solve?
And why is it important to you,

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right, to really understand?
Do you have the intrinsic

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motivation that's going to allow
you to push through challenges?

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Because as we've talked to our
scholars, 90% of this experience

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is going to be learning from
what doesn't work, right?

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So really trying to enforce that
pedagogy of positive failure,

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right?
And then our second years are

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moving towards building, right?
Or someone like Malik, who's a

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first year, but he's already
been building, already testing

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his.
Because app it has you know,

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cofounders and has funding.
So it really is up to the

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student on how fast their
project can develop because this

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does take a lot of time outside
of the classroom for them to put

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in to make sure that they are
progressing.

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And then as they pitch, they get
feedback on what they can do

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better, what they should really
solidify.

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And then also is determined on
the level of funding that they

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receive.
And so there is up to $10,000

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that scholars can receive for
their passion projects depending

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on the type.
And again, in Silicon Valley,

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$10,000 is not a lot of money.
So we encourage students, but to

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go out and find other folks who
may be able to support their

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projects, whether it be through
mentorship, whether it be

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through actual financial
commitments.

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And so we see this as a place
where we're we're planting the

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seeds that will initiate that
motivation and that interest to

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move forward in a space like
like Malik has, right?

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So that's kind of our passion
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That's very helpful.
We're speaking with Doctor EM

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Nunez, who is assistant director
for Scholar Support and

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Educational Access at San
Francisco Bay University and

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also known as SFBU.
And we're joined with her is

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Malik Haruna, who is a student,
a scholar there, but is also the

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chief technical officer for
Align.

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Malik, can you talk a bit about
follow up on doctor ES

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description around the
curriculum?

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How has the curriculum in the
Scholars Program supported your

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academic development there at
San Francisco Bay University?

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So currently there's a push for
us to be at our lease at 2.5.

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I have been running on the
college Strike standard 3 point

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O from high school.
At least to something to strive

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for to stay in a program.
Haven't done that for four

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years.
I think it's OK to keep it going

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for another four years.
But besides that we do have

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study jams that happen a couple
times per semester, typically

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around midterms and finals where
if you're a great point is

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scattered up onwards below 3.0
it's a little bit in danger.

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It's like things, they really
start cascading.

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You're required to go for at
least an hour each day for about

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a week, week and a half.
And overall, it's very good

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experience to really have a time
working to sit down where we're

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expected to catch up on work.
Go ahead, do what we need to do

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so that way we can keep our
scholarship work on our

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businesses and not have to fear
losing a scholarship.

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The reasons we're here, the
school is very, they put our

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education first before the
extracurricular, the start

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program itself.
They want to make sure that

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we're doing what we're supposed
to do in the classroom before we

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do other things.
Especially with my job.

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I have a job on campus kind of
at the school's incubator.

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Rohan, his standard is like
college track standard is 3

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point O.
If we don't have that, then our

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job there is in danger.
So that's a very big push for us

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to keep our grades up.
But clearly you're very busy,

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but I want to know a bit more
about a line.

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So tell us about a a line.
How did it come to be?

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And where are you now on your
project?

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All right, so I'll get like the
back story from getting here to

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get into a line.
When I first came in back in

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August, my idea was for
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SW Africa, especially Indonesia,
where my family's from, deals

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with a very long dry season
where the country is forced into

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importing food, vegetables, all
those things which hike up the

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prices.
People can't afford it, can't

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afford it.
Unfortunately, with aeroponic

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farming, you can do almost 10
times of farming with 10 times

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less space, with a lot less
water.

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And that was my original idea.
With that, there were some

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concerns with how I wouldn't
makes any type of profit or

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income because I didn't want to
make a profit from that as if I

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was making profit post exchange
rates I'd have to charge

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exorbitant prices, which is the
thing I'm trying to avoid.

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It's something I do plan on
doing on my own later on as my

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mom is moving back there after I
finish up college, so I was

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trying to sign that up whenever
she goes back.

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Then I moved into what was
basically an Uber copy, but for

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here is something different.
There's I've got on power and

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the DC area.
It's like Uber, but they let the

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drivers choose their own rates
and drivers seem to be more

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happy.
The users tend to have lower

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costs when they want to order
rideshare.

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It tends to be more consistent.
Currently they're expanding and

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they weren't on the West Coast
yet, so it's a little bit grimy.

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I was thinking about doing that
on the West Coast before they

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got here, but with how way MO is
another autonomous scars that

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trend over here, it's not a very
promising trend for a company

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like that to at least start our
fresh with nothing here now

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power.
I'm sure they'll make their way

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here eventually.
I think they'll do pretty

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decent, but around November of
last year I had a conversation

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with my now Co founder Andrew
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He's very experienced in the
entire storage space.

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He's a 3X founder.
He's done a lot of consulting

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work in the area for the last 20
years and I've been using him.

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As for like advice, in November
I was switching to ideas.

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I was wanted to ask him, do you
have any throwaway ideas you

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think I could use for our
program?

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I'm thinking of two things.
And he said one thing to me,

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something he's wanted for the
last 10 years.

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He wanted an app that could find
him set like professional

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profile of people whenever he
goes to events.

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Now there's apps like Umbrella
that do that right now, but

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those apps end up just being
event apps.

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The apps going to die after you
leave the event.

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There's not really any point in
keeping them on your phone.

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So taking that as inspiration
and looking at the competitors

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like landscape, I said to move a
line to be more open world.

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Originally a line was called the
Xenith Network.

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If you look through my LinkedIn,
you'll see that a couple of

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months ago, but we've been with
that was more so not just

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professional, it's more really
open use it for friends,

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universities.
That's more so for product, for

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people like me, people like
university students.

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But to get like the supply side
of things for our app, like the

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investors, the VCs, the people
doing like hiring for jobs.

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We want to focus more on
professional so we're not

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confusing our customers.
We don't want to be a dating

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app.
That's one of the things we want

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to avoid the most.
I had another meeting with my Co

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founder back in February.
So originally he wanted to come

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on as an investor because I was
building it out solo at the

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time.
But after our conversation I

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decided that would be better if
he came out as more for Co

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founder as he has a much more
expensive network than I do.

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Plus the early capital to get us
up and going and with a

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decision.
We've not been building

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together.
I'm taking care of building the

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product, He's taking care of the
more business side of things,

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getting us connections, building
out board of directors,

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advisors.
In terms of big names we have on

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our board of advisors, we
currently have Julia Yan, the

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seat, the Chief Marketing
Officer of TikTok, the one

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that's been there since the
original founding team and also

455
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,280
the ex Ford president for East
Asia and Southeast Asia.

456
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,640
With all of that, we've so far
raised 400 grand for the startup

457
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,120
running that money is committed.
It's not quite in the bank

458
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,400
accounts quite yet, but you plan
on finishing up our $1,000,000

459
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,800
round by August Currently, I
just submitted for the App Store

460
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,000
yesterday.
So we will hopefully be on the

461
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,040
App Store by the start of June,
but our main big launch is

462
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,120
mid-july.
Oh, wow, amazing.

463
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,720
Wow, really amazing.
I failed to ask you, Malik, what

464
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,680
is your major?
Computer Science, but I am

465
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,320
switching to business.
You know you can, major and

466
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,600
minor.
Yep, that's what my friend was.

467
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,480
Major business, minor computer
science.

468
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,120
The school has a three-year
degree option and a four year

469
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,600
degree option.
I could do the three-year get

470
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,680
off faster.
I decided to stay for the four

471
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,840
years so I can do my computer
science miner.

472
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,920
Yeah, you can also double major
too, too.

473
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Yeah, I forgot about that.
So the Provost did mention

474
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,400
there's the the new 90 credit
bachelor's program there at San

475
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Francisco Bay University.
Well, I had to, again, I want to

476
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,520
say kudos because you've been
able to raise capital for this

477
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,520
initiative already.
And I think I'm just going to,

478
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,440
this is my speculation working
so closely with working so close

479
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,400
to the Bay Area, but also, I
mean, San Francisco Bay

480
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,160
University is a brand disruptor.
So I think in some ways as a

481
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,120
university, it attracts the eye
of certain individuals who would

482
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,800
be poised and would probably be
happy to support a program and

483
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,440
initiatives from the scholars
program.

484
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,840
And if I may, Jacob, I think
what Malik just described, his

485
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:59,920
process of getting to align
right we off is pretty normal of

486
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,680
our scholars.
They come in with lots of ideas

487
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,760
and we encourage them to, you
know, iterate through them.

488
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,480
If something's not working, be
willing to pivot and move on

489
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680
because that's really the nature
of Silicon Valley, right?

490
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,120
Is the speed of things that are
happening, the speed of

491
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,560
innovation.
And really our goal in the

492
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:28,480
Startup Scholars program is the
skills that students acquire

493
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,280
gain through this process,
right?

494
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,040
Not only critical thinking
skills, project management,

495
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,120
being able to network with folks
who, who are from all different

496
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,160
walks of life, being able to get
capital in that negotiation and

497
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,840
really that courtship, if you
will, when you're talking to a

498
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200
future investor.
All those things, all those

499
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,920
skills Malik and our students
are going to be able to take

500
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,280
with them into the, the
workforce, right?

501
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,160
And they're going to be
marketable from the moment they

502
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,200
submit applications.
Now, we don't expect every

503
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640
student that comes to the
Startup Scholars program to have

504
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,160
a full blown tied up in a nice
bow project and a launch project

505
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,840
by the time they graduate here.
We want them to be in a position

506
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,000
to take that next step by the
time they graduate.

507
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,360
And if there are students like
Malik who are just hitting the

508
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,840
ground running, her finding
really good traction, we're

509
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,200
finding really good motivation
and are getting these things

510
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,680
done, we want to make sure that
we're supporting them and not

511
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,640
again removing barriers.
What are things that we can do?

512
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,760
Perhaps we can give him more
funding then then he maybe

513
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,280
wouldn't traditionally get at
his stage, right.

514
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,400
But because there's that work
that's being put in, we want to

515
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,360
make sure to to honor that work
and make sure that we are

516
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,240
supporting the work as much as
possible.

517
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,040
So that's really just, you know,
Malik experienced that in a year

518
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,000
really at the growth that I have
seen in Malik from freshman

519
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,680
first semester to freshman
second semester has really truly

520
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,160
been inspiring and something
that I hope that can motivate

521
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,840
his peers to to use as an
example of how to move through

522
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,880
their own projects.
So I, I want to, I want to think

523
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,920
about this from a cognitive or
socio effective perspective.

524
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,520
So Malik, Dr. E talked about
positive failure and you have

525
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,040
you have gone through several
iterations, What has positive

526
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,160
failure meant for you throughout
this process?

527
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,800
And Dr. E, you can join on on
the second part, but Malik, how

528
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,720
have you felt supported?
So Dr. Ian, how has perhaps the

529
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,880
program supported students
through positive failure?

530
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,920
So Malik, positive failure for
you.

531
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,600
So from the beginning, we have
mentors that we meet with

532
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:06,040
somewhat not too often, maybe bi
weekly to monthly and we'll be

533
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,200
able to ask some questions to
there's more like a check up to

534
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,360
see where we are.
And throughout all my ideas,

535
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,000
I've got more like reality text
kind of for my mentors.

536
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,120
My official mentor was thought
we he kind of gave me a reality

537
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,600
check a lot for a lot of my
ideas as a lot of them were very

538
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:33,000
resourced and capital intensive
and feels that have been so over

539
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,160
saturated by big players that
coming in as a new player

540
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:43,200
wouldn't be possible solo at the
very least and especially 1.

541
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,800
The somebody I've taken well not
as a mentor really, but worked

542
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,760
for Rohan Brown for the end of
eBay.

543
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,920
I've been thinking with him a
lot.

544
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,440
Whenever I can get a chance to
buy my idea, my ideas, he's

545
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,120
going to be good like, like
solid reality checks.

546
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,040
He's not afraid to really tell
me the honest truth about

547
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,280
things.
And that's helped me a lot.

548
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Quite honestly.
He's part of the reason I've

549
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,600
tried so hard to push ahead with
my ideas sitting at my desk all

550
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,199
day for weeks, because he's told
me the honest truth.

551
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,920
If you don't, if you have a good
idea and you don't implement it

552
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,600
quickly, somebody else will have
that same idea and do it faster

553
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,440
than you will and get to the
customers faster than you will.

554
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,320
So that's been the thing I've
been running with.

555
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,560
So having all these mentors here
has been great for me to want to

556
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:45,520
speed up a little bit my pace on
how I go about this in terms of

557
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,840
positive failure.
It's just here in the honest

558
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:55,719
truth from the mentors that
these ideas are very good and

559
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,800
also doing some research on my
own time, which the matter

560
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,880
starts to do.
Do some market research, see

561
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,440
what the competitors are looking
like, what the market even

562
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160
wants.
One of the things Rohan tells me

563
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,520
and others work on an eBay don't
want to build startup are is

564
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:19,320
don't build anything until you
talk to 300 people and then

565
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,240
after that go and build
something pointing out 300

566
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,320
people, taking source and quote
what they said to you, don't

567
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,040
build anything.
I may have skipped a couple 100

568
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,240
people, but for me it's it's
worked, it's worked out, it's

569
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,640
worked out, it's worked out for
me.

570
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,520
This is something that's been
wanted by lot.

571
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,160
We've heard from people this is
on that they've wanted,

572
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080
especially my Co founder.
He's done the outreach himself

573
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,480
as well.
I'm sure by now we've had those

574
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,360
300 people.
We've been actively on this for

575
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,480
the last three ish months.
We've gone to multiple events.

576
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,080
I'm sure we've hit those trainer
people in terms of people we've

577
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
talked to.
So yeah.

578
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,600
So, Malik, I I know, Doctor,
Yeah, you want to do you want to

579
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,520
ask something about support?
But I, I'm traveling at the bit

580
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,280
here because Malik, you talked
about one of the advice you that

581
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,000
you received was if you have a
good idea, begin initiating.

582
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,960
Because if you wait too long,
what would be the conflict

583
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,600
between sort of sourcing 300
people and getting started?

584
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,480
And I, I know you have to have
some sound evidence to make sure

585
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,360
this is viable, but how do you
manage that notion?

586
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Because you said that you
started prior to reaching the

587
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,200
full 300 number.
Yeah.

588
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,240
So that trainer number, I think
that's more relevant if you're

589
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,560
hiring people to do like build
things like if they're

590
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,360
sharpening and real money into
like the development of how AI

591
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,240
is now.
Quite honestly, anybody you can

592
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:57,320
become a developer.
You maybe watch a couple YouTube

593
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,600
courses on the case of
fundamentals of software

594
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,480
development.
Just know the basic knowledge,

595
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,160
data structures, things like
that.

596
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,480
But otherwise, airbag can
develop as long as you can be a

597
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,480
project manager, know what to
ask for or have eyes see what

598
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,000
you don't like as to change it.
So I can do that, you'll be

599
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,320
fine.
I've been using cloud a lot.

600
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,600
I think starting off back in mid
February, February, I started

601
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:35,080
off using developing like really
originally it was about 20 bucks

602
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,360
down 1 to $100 membership and
now to the $200 membership.

603
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,040
So I've been trying to get my
use out of it, but it's cheaper

604
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,760
than hiring somebody.
The investment isn't really

605
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,960
crazy.
We have all of our expenses

606
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,920
here.
Taking care of housing, food,

607
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,040
transportation isn't really a
cost because we live across the

608
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,520
street from the university.
So for my job, I guess I have

609
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,920
some extra money I've decided to
put into more.

610
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,400
So kind of bootstrapping at the
beginning.

611
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,000
Now that we have the funding,
it's not really bootstrapping

612
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440
for real anymore.
We kind of have that capital to

613
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,680
burn through.
But I started building so I can

614
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,640
get people like a visual of how
I wanted it to be at the

615
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,760
beginning.
I started going to events

616
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,120
initially before I started
building building, but had like

617
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,800
a little mock up.
I think I used lovable first

618
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,640
semester.
That's what the program was

619
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,520
asking us to use to build like
mock ups of our ideas to just

620
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,320
build a quick visual mock up.
See tell people what it would

621
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,480
look like.
Originally it was very dating

622
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,680
IP.
I got some feedback on that,

623
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,400
that maybe it shouldn't be very
like, you know, swipey dating IP

624
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,280
had.
I noticed it's convenient, but I

625
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,600
noticed that that's probably not
the best image to give off for a

626
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,480
professional app.
One of the things some people

627
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:02,400
mentioned was the substance.
You want to match people to be

628
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,440
connecting without substance
versus just their visual, what

629
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,080
they look like.
And originally we were anonymous

630
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,560
first, like everybody on your
discovery, be anonymous that

631
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,080
after you match, you can decide
to reveal and then they see each

632
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,520
other.
But after some feedback from

633
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,880
people just have to go more
public, push the boundary a

634
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,160
little bit in terms of privacy.
Our mindset was think companies

635
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,600
like Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, Uber
and Lyft letting random

636
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,720
strangers into your car or
getting into a random strangers

637
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,080
car.
If I before that may not have

638
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,440
been very accepted, like
something people would think

639
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,040
will be normal as it is now, but
they push that boundary a little

640
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,520
bit.
Airbnb going to a random

641
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,800
stranger's house or running
random strangers into your

642
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,440
house, typically not really
accepted, but they're pushing

643
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,600
that boundary just a little bit.
But now we want to push that

644
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,880
boundary in a more professional
space just a little bit more.

645
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,800
Well, two things.
We know you have strong feelings

646
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,120
about dating apps, or at least
those features.

647
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,560
But you know, it's so
interesting.

648
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,480
You think you made me think
about this notion of a stranger

649
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,480
getting your car in certain
communities.

650
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,200
That was really how things work.
So we had certain communities

651
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,120
that had unofficial taxis.
So you show up at the and this

652
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,280
is in Philadelphia.
I remember years ago traveling

653
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,440
to Philadelphia.
I think they call it that hat or

654
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,440
hat or something.
And I didn't know what that was,

655
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,800
but it's basically somebody who
has a car and do you need a

656
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920
ride?
And it was much cheaper than the

657
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,680
yellow taxi or whatever color
the taxis were.

658
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,120
So in certain communities,
people were very used to sort of

659
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,360
this idea of community share.
I think it's for certain class

660
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,040
of folks and certain other
environments that it's become a

661
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,920
bit more normalized.
Dr. E So how do you, on sort of

662
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,480
programming side, help students
with this idea of positive

663
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,200
failure?
Yeah, it's something that is can

664
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,720
be really difficult in this
generation of instant

665
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:14,720
gratification, right?
They see things on social media

666
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,160
and they kind of want to start
at step 20 before even, you

667
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,400
know, lining up at the at the
starting line.

668
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,360
And so really it's about drawing
back to their why, why this

669
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560
project of all the things you
can do in the world, why this

670
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,560
project, right?
And I think when we, when I,

671
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,760
when we focus on that intrinsic
motivation and we tie it back to

672
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,040
that, then it's almost like
there's this realization that

673
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,880
sometimes these, these projects
can be bigger than them in terms

674
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,000
of the impact that it can have,
right?

675
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,440
But it's also comes from their
own lived experiences, right?

676
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,960
As Lily shared, the iterations
that he went through, all of

677
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,400
the, a lot of the iterations
that he went through were

678
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,080
because he had a personal lived
experienced with those

679
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,560
challenges and wanted to make it
better for folks who had similar

680
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,480
challenges, right?
So I found that if I center, the

681
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,840
Y students are more likely and
more open to the failure piece,

682
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,240
right?
And it's really about reframing

683
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,240
the failure.
OK, so you want to create, We

684
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,080
have a student who wants to
create an AI cushion, right?

685
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,520
Because his he has a lot of
family members that are

686
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,360
commercial truck drivers.
They suffer from a lot of back

687
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,520
pain, those kinds of things.
And he cares about their house.

688
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,600
So he wants to create an AI
cushion.

689
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,720
He is not a computer science
major.

690
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,840
So he'll come to me and say,
Doctor Eve, I'm not a coder.

691
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,640
I don't know how to do that.
So then really going back to

692
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,200
like, OK, how can we leverage AI
to help you do that?

693
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,240
Or can it doesn't make more
sense to use some of your

694
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,720
funding to pay a fellow student
or because we have graduate

695
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:01,080
students here as well to fit to
pay a graduate student to help

696
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,000
you code, right?
Do you need to find a Co founder

697
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,480
like Malik did that takes care
of that kind of coding piece

698
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640
where you can take care of the
business piece?

699
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,160
So really it's about offering
solutions, multimodal solutions,

700
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,320
and allowing students to see
that even though my project, I

701
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,360
see my project may be in this
very big complex thing, how can

702
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,480
we scaffold it so that that
failure doesn't feel

703
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,520
detrimental?
And it really is seen as like,

704
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,800
OK, this is just a set back,
right?

705
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,080
And all I got to do is work
through this little thing,

706
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,960
right?
And so really scaffolding it to,

707
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,160
again, wherever the student is
at, the way I would scaffold

708
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,720
something for Malik in terms of
where he is at in his project is

709
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,400
going to be very different.
The way I scaffold something for

710
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,040
who is someone maybe when our
freshmen come in next year where

711
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,360
they're just in this discovery
phase, right?

712
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,440
So again, it's truly is meeting
where the student, where the

713
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,320
student is AT, and then putting
people in front of them that are

714
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,640
also going to support them.
For example, our two faculty who

715
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,800
teach the seminar have
experience in startups, have

716
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,760
experience in going through that
iteration themselves, have

717
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,720
experienced failed projects,
have experienced successful

718
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,120
businesses.
Malik has mentioned Rohan Brown,

719
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,240
the founder and managing
director of Innovate Bay here.

720
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:28,120
And I think that Rohan plays a
big part in serving as a role

721
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:34,200
model, as an, as a Black man
running an the innovate Bay here

722
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,880
for our, for our black students,
right?

723
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,040
And I'm really all any of our
Black and brown students.

724
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,560
He serves as a as a mentor, as a
representative of what students

725
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,000
can be.
And we have staff mentors.

726
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,960
I cannot tell you how many times
students want Rohan as their

727
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,040
mentor because they know he has
extremely high standards, but

728
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,360
that if you meet those standards
and you put in the work, Rohan

729
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,840
is going to support you.
Right?

730
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Sending them out to events,
being willing to pay for events

731
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,680
and if it's a ticket, if it's
transportation, if it means

732
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,400
maybe giving them an excused
absence because it is something

733
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,920
that is really, really super
aligned to their project, right?

734
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,040
So again, it really is about
reframing the failure and always

735
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,840
tying it to the why.
Because if we tie it to the why,

736
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,440
then they're more likely to kind
of, you know, do what they need

737
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,240
to do to get through that
process.

738
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,400
I like that because I think we
hear that a lot for anyone, any

739
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,040
project really.
It's the why, particularly if

740
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,880
you want to, if you want someone
to invest deeply, is it has to

741
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,720
be aligned with sort of as you
mentioned earlier, project

742
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,040
compassion project, but anchored
by the why.

743
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,960
Good clarity around why are you
doing this.

744
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,200
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I want to know from both of you
and just dream for a bit and

768
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,160
just give me 3 descriptors.
If we were to rebuild higher

769
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,040
education to support students
like Malik, what do you

770
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,880
recommend?
Just three recommendations.

771
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,960
And Malik, you're on the hook
for this as well.

772
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,000
So what do you think other
students like you would need if

773
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,840
we were to rebuild higher
education?

774
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Just three top things.
I think I can.

775
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,560
I can kick us off.
The first thing that really

776
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:06,240
comes to mind is to be quite
honest, a look in the mirror for

777
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,320
a lot of the higher education
institutions.

778
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,240
Because I think a lot of times
the research will tell us, you

779
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,880
know, the challenges that first
generation college students

780
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,960
face.
And we know best practices,

781
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,560
right?
But I think a lot of times folks

782
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,560
are not aware or don't take the
time to understand their own

783
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,320
bias when it comes to supporting
first generation college

784
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,320
students who are low income,
right?

785
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,880
Research also shows that when
you have high standards for

786
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,000
students, they are more likely
to meet them.

787
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,320
And so I think it really begins
with educators and decision

788
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:53,080
makers really looking in the
mirror and saying, what am I

789
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,680
doing in my role wherever I sit
in this university to either

790
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,360
enhance student experiences or
hinder them, right?

791
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,360
And we're all human.
There's going to be things that

792
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,880
we may do that unintentionally
hinder a student from doing

793
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,360
something.
It just means we're human.

794
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,320
It doesn't mean we're, it
doesn't mean we're a bad

795
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,520
educator.
So I think a lot of it is just

796
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,840
looking in the mirror and what
are those biases that are either

797
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,480
subconsciously or otherwise
directing our decisions right on

798
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,640
how we support students.
So I think that's one.

799
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,800
Two, I think there needs to be
more willingness to invest in

800
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,080
student ideas and student LED
initiatives.

801
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,760
A lot of times in higher Ed we
get put on task force and

802
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,520
committees and things like that
to assess a certain thing or try

803
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:51,160
to navigate a certain topic.
And often students are left out

804
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,880
of those places, right?
So really willing to invest in

805
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,520
student ideas and initiatives
and invest not only financially,

806
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,080
but in time, giving students
time to voice their thoughts and

807
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,600
ideas, giving them space to do
so.

808
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,080
And I think also, again, the
third thing I would say is

809
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,840
really meeting the student where
they're at.

810
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,400
A lot of Times Higher Education
can kind of do these cookie

811
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,560
cutter projects, right?
Or programs because it worked at

812
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,360
another university, right?
Or it's works here, right?

813
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,440
And really what we've done with
the Startup Scholars program is

814
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,520
we've seen what works at, let's
say, a Santa Clara or Utah.

815
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,000
And we said, OK, now let's
figure out what works here at

816
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,800
SFBU and most importantly, what
works here in the Silicon

817
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,800
Valley, which is very different
than Santa Clara and Utah,

818
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,720
right?
So I think sometimes we can be

819
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:55,360
very quick to cherry pick what
works at other universities and

820
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,760
expect them to work at our
institutions.

821
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,400
And there isn't that time to
really think through how do I

822
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,400
truly connect this to the
students that we serve.

823
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,480
And so those are the three
things that I would say.

824
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,240
When leak you ready?
Yeah.

825
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,360
So I will say from my
perspective as this is only USC

826
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,720
I've been to, I've met two other
universities.

827
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:25,480
So I'll speak based off my time
here and let's see things I

828
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:31,360
would have maybe preferred to
see differently for a purse one.

829
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,680
I think with what you were
saying about cookie cutter

830
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:43,000
programs, if the program was a
little bit more instead of

831
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:49,960
setting a goal point and it's
waiting for us to get there like

832
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,440
our choice, we want to do it or
not.

833
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:58,600
Marshall pushing us towards that
goal point and like a higher

834
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,800
intensity way.
That's far my conversations with

835
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,160
Rohan where he's more so pushing
you towards reaching those goal

836
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,000
points in like a super
competitive, super high stakes.

837
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,200
Like he likes to treat it almost
like a student athlete program.

838
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:18,360
Although the school doesn't have
athletics, this could be

839
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,360
somewhat adapted to a student
athlete program here.

840
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:33,400
That's what we're going to say.
I'm thinking one of the things I

841
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:40,320
may have missed out here on
being community, One of the

842
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,880
thoughts I had before this
podcast when it came to that

843
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,160
question of community being the
school is new in terms of

844
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,360
rebranding, the recent
reduction, more domestic

845
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:59,240
students.
And I would say the expectation

846
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,920
is kind of we be the ones that
start the community.

847
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,800
But sometimes, and for a
community like this in a sharp

848
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,800
like ecosystem, I'd prefer being
a community of people who are

849
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,360
treating their setups as plan A
and Plan B, Plan C, Plan D or

850
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,360
just a little side school
project.

851
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,640
And this is that many, not that
many, quite honestly, that I've

852
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,080
seen with my own eyes.
Maybe there's people doing in

853
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,960
the background in the shoe
that's not fit.

854
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:33,720
Please don't put it on.
But it's a great community like

855
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:35,760
that.
It'd require people who are like

856
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,440
super, super passionate.
I think that can only be done at

857
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,480
the program is more pushing
students towards like getting up

858
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,160
and going with what they're
doing and not being just a maybe

859
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,280
a side project that they can
look at maybe once a week, maybe

860
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,320
a couple, maybe 30 minutes an
hour on it just thinking about

861
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,560
it and go back to them.
Whatever.

862
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,400
My idea was how we want to see
something that's like fully

863
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,200
fledged until I'm leaving as we
just don't have that many people

864
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,480
in general yet.
So maybe one of some graduating.

865
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:13,640
It's more of like a set thing
that's like up and going for a

866
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:19,120
new students at least.
And I think those two final one,

867
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,360
this sort of ties in with the
whole accelerating part.

868
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,960
Imagine if a startup incubator
as an accelerator could be year

869
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:32,000
round.
If I had to have a preferred

870
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,040
vision of like a program like
this will be for your students,

871
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,760
maybe like an incubator, like
why see all those things that

872
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,360
runs year round.
You get us some resources.

873
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,560
It's like a, it's like a
difference.

874
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,680
You know, you go to like AYC,
all those incubators there for

875
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,960
12 weeks, 3 months and you
leave, you're out there.

876
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,000
So you have your network from
before, but you're kind of out

877
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,400
there in the wild now maybe
really great.

878
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,840
We're here for at least three
years up to four years and that

879
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,200
incubator style and those two
resources students could have

880
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,760
those year round for the four
years.

881
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,240
So we get a multiplier on the
benefits.

882
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,560
People who would who don't have
this program at universities but

883
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,880
would have a Cuba that they
applied for would have.

884
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,920
It could be like a year round YC
kind of thing.

885
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,160
That would be something that guy
really enjoy, honestly.

886
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,560
I appreciate it.
Thank you from both of you.

887
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,800
And we're speaking with Doctor
EM Nunez, who is Assistant

888
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,360
Director for Scholar Support and
Educational Access at San

889
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,840
Francisco Bay University, along
with Malika Arona, who is a

890
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:48,440
rising and sophomore, but is
also the Chief Technical Officer

891
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,960
for Align, which is his startup.
What is next for each of you?

892
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,080
And how might the add Up
Accelerated Excellence community

893
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,360
connect with that work?
Yeah, I mean, this summer we

894
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,560
have a busy summer.
As Malik shared, there are some

895
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:10,560
areas that we really want to
advance in and and develop to

896
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,280
make sure we're meeting students
where they're at.

897
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,880
And so we're really looking
taking the time this summer to

898
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,040
look at the curriculum to make
sure that we are effectively

899
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,920
serving all students dis
regardless of the stage that

900
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,640
they're at with their passion
project.

901
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,320
So that's going to be our
biggest project this summer.

902
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:33,480
We'll be ready to welcome our
third cohort in August of

903
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,680
students as well.
And you know, the community can

904
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,000
then connect with me on
LinkedIn, happy to connect talk

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00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,760
about the project to either a
community of students.

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You support high school students
at any age.

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In fact, we still have spots
open in our Startup Scholars

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program for the Fall 2020 sixth
semester.

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So if anyone out there knows a
high school senior that is still

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trying to figure out what they
want to do after they graduate,

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feel free to connect with me.
Happy to share more about our

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project and connect folks with
some of our scholars like Malik.

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And for me, we're getting on the
App Store.

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I believe this month we are
playing on big major launch in

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mid-july, a conference that we
are working on a partnership

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with right now.
Currently, if you are somebody

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who hosts events, get togethers
or even just leads a community

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and you want to help people find
their connections easier, boost

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our attention of people coming
back to your events because they

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know when they come to your
events, they'll find people

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they're looking for.
Or just keep your people that

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actually sign up for your events
showing you up in like total and

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not skipping because they think
they won't find the right people

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there.
Let us be your app.

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Currently, we have our wait list
up and open.

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It's ALINE dot network on Google
can search that up, turn our

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wait list and we'll send you an
e-mail when we're up and going.

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And if you're a investor
recruiter, people on those like

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those more like like you want
that people.

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If you see your LinkedIn, I get
tons of connection requests from

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rented people.
Let's let's get you on our app.

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00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,800
Let's let's start filtering
those people for you and your

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direct proximity.
So I want to thank both of you

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for this opportunity to learn
with and from you here at Add Up

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00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,840
Accelerated Excellence where we
seek to advance educational

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excellence and equity.
Thank you both.

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00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:41,920
Thank you.
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University School Psychology
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